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Winchester Model 1894 Lever Action

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by Hawaiicjo, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. Hawaiicjo

    Hawaiicjo New Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Fort Wayne, Indiana
    Dont know too much about guns so terminology may be a little off . I have a lever action rifle that i am looking to get some more information on...here is a description.

    On the barrel it reads.
    - Manufactured by the winchester repeating arms co. New Haven Conn. USA Patented August 21, 1894.
    - Nickll (not a typo. this is how it is spelled on gun) Steel Barrel. Especially for smokeless powder.
    -30 W.C.F.

    On the Near site it reads.
    -KING Pat. Aug. 15, 1533

    Near the breach it reads.
    - Has emblem which is oval and has what looks like a W and P in it.
    - (underside of breach) 833457

    Top of Stock or butt it reads
    -Model 1894. Winchester. Trademark Reg US Pat. OFF & FGN

    I have attached some pictures to help out. Not even sure what caliber this thing is. would love to know it all

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  2. Goody

    Goody Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    Standard Winchester Saddle Ring carbine chambered in 30WCF, more commonly known as the venerable 30.30. Born in 1918, your scant pictures show what appear to be an unaltered, not messed with gun in decent shape. If the rest of the gun looks like what I can see in the pictures I would expect to see it priced at 800-1200 in local shows.

  3. JohnDavid27

    JohnDavid27 New Member

    Jan 17, 2009
    What I have found in the 2009 Standard catalog of firearms (19th edition) you have either a model 1894 "extra lightweight rifle" or a "trapper's carbine". Both look the same in the book so its hard to tell. With saying that I will give you both prices. The extra lightweight is as follows...exc.$5000 v.g $3500 good $1500 fair $1000 poor $450.the carbine extra lightweight is as follows....exc.$3000 v.g.$2000 good $600 fair $400 poor $200. If its a trapper's carbine it is as follows.....exc. $6500 v.g $4250 good $2500 fair $1500 poor $700. Note: add 30% for carbines chambered for .25-35 or .38-55 calibers. The model 1894 was chambered for these cartridges: .32-40, .38-55, .25-35 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester and the .32 Winchester Special. So with saying this you probably have the 30-30 Winchester but I'm not sure.
  4. muddober

    muddober Active Member

    Sep 19, 2008
    Carson City Nevada
    I would have to agree with Goody and it doesn't look like a trapper to me. The fastest way to tell is put a cleaning rod down the barrel and if is about 20" it is a standard carbine. The one thing that does look a bit odd to me is the rear sight as most carbines had a ladder type sight. It is a very nice old gun from what I can see.

  5. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    He says the rear sight is marked Kings Patent, Aug. 15 (I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that's 1933, and not 1533). Since the gun was made in 1918, that means someone replaced the sight.
  6. Hawaiicjo

    Hawaiicjo New Member

    Jun 18, 2009
    Fort Wayne, Indiana
    The sight deff. says 1533 on it.
  7. Bindernut

    Bindernut Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2007
    ND, USA
    Can you post any more pics of the rifle? In particular closeups of the markings?

    I've seen a couple King rifle sights like that before on 40's era Savage & Winchester lever guns but the I also suspect patent date should be "Aug. 15 1933" or just "Aug 15. 33" ...I don't have any pix of those rifles since they just passed through the shop that I helped out in a few years back. They were made by the King Gunsight Company in San Fran, CA.
    From one of the Hi Standard sites on the web, here's a copy of an old Kings catalog. this should be the page showing all their ladder style rear sights, and a couple pages before it will be the model fitment chart.

    As for the rest of the rifle, it looks pretty original to me. It's not a trapper, it looks like an 18" or 20" saddle-ring carbine but do the cleaning rod length check that moddober suggested to get the length.
    30 WCF is indeed 30-30 Winchester.
    I can't help you out with date of manufacture, but I know there are several guys around here that know more about the older '94s. Hopefully they see your post.
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2009
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