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Very little in that condition sans the bolt. Parts gun
 
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what does the inside of the barrel look like?
 

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The barrel has a chrome lined bore and I would bet it cleans up with no sewer pipe pitting or craters revealed - designed to survive use in salt water hot climate zones they are great barrels with the strongest action ever put on a military rifle and have superior metallurgy...

However yours is not naval infantry issue as the furniture has no drain holes - naval infantry units drilled holes in the stock so salt water would drain and not remain between metal and wood - they also trashed to leather slings for silage or waxed hemp rope because the leather gear especially slings rotted off pdq in the pacific island and littoral water campaigns...

Anti aircraft sight extensions have been removed - a unit of men in a block formation would use these wings to lead aircraft and the nco would order them to volley fire all together in the hope of improving the chances of hitting low flying observation craft or biplane bombers common in the Russian and Chinese and Burma theaters right through the wars end...

The momopod and sliding action dust cover have been removed - by the time allied and us forces saw combat with Japanese imperial naval or fortification or engineering troops most units had removed these items as cumbersome and causing a delay in reloading or making noise on patrol or flat out inadequate and not strong enough for the abuse and rigors of combat.

The chrysanthemum or imperial symbol of the living God divine emporer has been forcibly defaced and ground off -it was.considered a dishonor to surrender an arm with such a divinity based royal symbol of feudal obligation and loyalty to the living God emporer so the troops had them removed first most of the time. Guns with intact mums are more likely to have been captured in combat or taken from an injured or dead soldier in the field after an engagement then surrendered after the bombs were dropped and the emporer ordered his subjects to cease organized mitary resistance.

Note the design of the buttplate and the two piece dovetailed well joined tight buttstock...

Most don't realize that the Japanese deployed most of there forces in the Chinese theater including Korea and Vietnam. These troops were most often equipped Mauser rifles or British Enfield or Italian contract type I carcano full length 3 line rifles made in Japanese arsenals or captured on the mainland or purchased before the war. These were mostly army troops or occupation troops or defensive fortification troops. Most of the troops we encountered in the pacific campaigns were naval infantry / think marine corps for comparison as they were elite troops with a separate command structure and esprit de corps and their to&e varied from continental troops greatly.

Most japanese tank or armored vehicle or self propelled artillery was deployed to China on the mainland far before we entered the war - and was often made up of captured or surrendered or userped conscripted equipment. The pacific island campaign did not readily support the use or deployment of heavy armor or heavy construction equipment which they had in large numbers but used elsewhere.

Your gun lacks the matching number bolt. You could obtain a bolt that fits and works safely for under $100 and you could clean the gun up and replace all the missing pieces with modern reproductions and have a functional example of one of the best infantry rifles ever made but even then it would be non original and mismatched and no intact mum - as noted above it would not bring much money at auction but would give you a cheap functional shooter and a piece of history - a flawed starter piece but possibly to you worth the effort.

IMHO and please excuse the historical lecture.

Mike
 

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They are typically available at gun shows in much better condition for under $300, if not less. I have one that is in very good condition, complete, mum intact, and I gave $200 for it several years ago. Prices Im sure more now, but they are not highly desired guns last I knew.
 

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The barrel has a chrome lined bore and I would bet it cleans up with no sewer pipe pitting or craters revealed - designed to survive use in salt water hot climate zones they are great barrels with the strongest action ever put on a military rifle and have superior metallurgy...

However yours is not naval infantry issue as the furniture has no drain holes - naval infantry units drilled holes in the stock so salt water would drain and not remain between metal and wood - they also trashed to leather slings for silage or waxed hemp rope because the leather gear especially slings rotted off pdq in the pacific island and littoral water campaigns...

Anti aircraft sight extensions have been removed - a unit of men in a block formation would use these wings to lead aircraft and the nco would order them to volley fire all together in the hope of improving the chances of hitting low flying observation craft or biplane bombers common in the Russian and Chinese and Burma theaters right through the wars end...

The momopod and sliding action dust cover have been removed - by the time allied and us forces saw combat with Japanese imperial naval or fortification or engineering troops most units had removed these items as cumbersome and causing a delay in reloading or making noise on patrol or flat out inadequate and not strong enough for the abuse and rigors of combat.

The chrysanthemum or imperial symbol of the living God divine emporer has been forcibly defaced and ground off -it was.considered a dishonor to surrender an arm with such a divinity based royal symbol of feudal obligation and loyalty to the living God emporer so the troops had them removed first most of the time. Guns with intact mums are more likely to have been captured in combat or taken from an injured or dead soldier in the field after an engagement then surrendered after the bombs were dropped and the emporer ordered his subjects to cease organized mitary resistance.

Note the design of the buttplate and the two piece dovetailed well joined tight buttstock...

Most don't realize that the Japanese deployed most of there forces in the Chinese theater including Korea and Vietnam. These troops were most often equipped Mauser rifles or British Enfield or Italian contract type I carcano full length 3 line rifles made in Japanese arsenals or captured on the mainland or purchased before the war. These were mostly army troops or occupation troops or defensive fortification troops. Most of the troops we encountered in the pacific campaigns were naval infantry / think marine corps for comparison as they were elite troops with a separate command structure and esprit de corps and their to&e varied from continental troops greatly.

Most japanese tank or armored vehicle or self propelled artillery was deployed to China on the mainland far before we entered the war - and was often made up of captured or surrendered or userped conscripted equipment. The pacific island campaign did not readily support the use or deployment of heavy armor or heavy construction equipment which they had in large numbers but used elsewhere.

Your gun lacks the matching number bolt. You could obtain a bolt that fits and works safely for under $100 and you could clean the gun up and replace all the missing pieces with modern reproductions and have a functional example of one of the best infantry rifles ever made but even then it would be non original and mismatched and no intact mum - as noted above it would not bring much money at auction but would give you a cheap functional shooter and a piece of history - a flawed starter piece but possibly to you worth the effort.

IMHO and please excuse the historical lecture.

Mike
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