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1858 Remington Sight Adjust

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#1 · (Edited)
I have an 1858 Remington New Model Army...
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... and every time I take it out to shoot, I have to re-figure my POA.
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The few shots to the lower left are me figuring out my POI at 50 feet. The few close to the center are taken at 40 feet with an adjusted POA, (one hit is with the others at the lower left.)

Here is what I am thinking of doing.
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That is my rear sight v notch, it is not center but a little left and angled a bit. My front sight is a post apparently screwed in. I can't move the front sight from side to side, so I was thinking of filing the rear sight v notch so it is centered.

At 50 feet it is 6 inches or so left; which is hard to figure out where my POA is at varied distances.

My question is... Does someone know of a front sight replacement that can be adjusted? I really would rather not file.

I think I can be a much better shot with this pistol if I could just get that one issue resolved.

Thanks for reading!
 
#3 · (Edited)
Just a question, and I am no wizzard nor claim to be an expert on ANYTHING - but with that pistol shooting a little left, is it possible that 1.) the front sight post is bent a little to the right, or .2) the barrel may have very slightly backed off (loosened just ever so slightly) so the front sight post is a little more to the right? I can see the milling on the frame is a little off, but these other factors could be in play.

The reason I ask this is that I had an M44 Mosin Nagant carbine that the front sight assembly was off slightly to the right (after an arsenal rebuild) and the rifle shot groups to the left.

You could have a gunsmith install an adjustable rear sight - sort of like the one on the Ruger New Model Army. Just a thought....
 
#4 · (Edited)
I've got a Pietta Remington copy that I had to tweak the front sight just a hair too. Probably needed about 1/64" of "adjustment".
The blade on the front post is actually slightly crooked now, but it's pretty close to POA. I did square off the top of the post a bit since I was also correcting the elevation a bit at the same time...the crooked post isn't all that noticable with that v-rear notch.
I don't remember how far it was off when I made that adjustment.

If you do resort to filing the rear notch, be sure to take your time and check frequently.

It won't take much...if I'm doing my math right, 6" @ 50' is only something like 0.075-0.08" on the sights to correct it.
Your 50' range is 600" and your error is 6" so...
6"/600" = 0.01"
Take your sight radius and multiply it by 0.01" to get the correction value you need for that 6" of error.
 
#6 ·
I have a 1858 Rem that was shooting to the left. Turned out the barrel was not screwed in with the sight at top dead center. It was leaning slightly to the right. I removed barrel and dressed the front of frame with a file until the barrel flat was centered. While I had the barrel off I used the Brownell forcing cone reamer to polish the forcing cone. Shoots great now.
( I bought this revolver from the Bargain Cave at Cabela's in NE. Guess someone had returned it. Got it at a good price)
 
#7 ·
You could remove the front sight pin, then have a dovetail cut into the barrel. Then you can get a front sight blade set in the dovetail, and move it wherever you want.

Kinda like this guy did, but he also had an adjustable rear mounted, and engraved and gold-filled the gun.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344506
 
#8 ·
Well, I can see that the v-notch is wrong, and with the tools available to me, I figure the barrel and front sight blade is square. Since I'm not going to pay anyone to do it, I'll take the easy route and file it so it is centered.

Be assured, I'll be checking my progress often. :)

Thanks for all the advise!
 
#10 ·
Filed and tested 3 different times over 3 days, I think I have it as centered as I am going to get it.

Off a Rest, Black Powder Pistol

I'll see how it shoots over time, hopefully that is all the filing it will need.
 
#13 ·
That looks pretty close. Better than I remember doing with my Pietta '58! I really need to dig it out and burn some charcoal again...it's been a couple years since I've shot it.

What load are you using? Diameter ball and how much of what powder?

Reading your notes on the YouTube page, I noticed you mentioned having a consistent couple of fliers every cylinder full. Did you ever trace them back to a specific couple of chambers or not?
 
#14 ·
What load are you using? Diameter ball and how much of what powder?
I use a .451 inch ball 30 grains of powder and this time I used Remington #10 caps.

Reading your notes on the YouTube page, I noticed you mentioned having a consistent couple of fliers every cylinder full. Did you ever trace them back to a specific couple of chambers or not?
I am thinking I was not used to shooting it yet, because the last 4 or so loadings, all the chambers hit about in the same place. There is a lot of creep in that pistol and I think I finally got used to it.