[gdmoody]

A round of 62gr.5.56 is lighter than a round of 9mm? Hmmmm.

When I read that yesterday, I had my doubts about it. I weighed a loaded 9mm round and a loaded .223 round and shonuff, the 9mm weighed more. My .223 round has a 55 grain bullet and the 9mm has a 115 grain bullet.

 

[tedwitt]

You know, I'm glad people love The US, it amazes me how many people display WE THE PEOPLE on all kinds if stuff and have no clue what it means and or where it comes from and represents.
I've asked my grand kids and a bunch of fellow worker, just people at random. Most of them have no idea.
Ask people how many took Government in school. It was a required subject n Huffman High School in 1972.
So lets form a more perfect government!😁

 

[shootbrownelk]

When I read that yesterday, I had my doubts about it. I weighed a loaded 9mm round and a loaded .223 round and shonuff, the 9mm weighed more. My .223 round has a 55 grain bullet and the 9mm has a 115 grain bullet.
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"A pistol is a weapon you use to fight your way to the rifle you should have never put down"

A pistol is the least effective firearm you can have, however they can be carried when a rifle or shotgun is too large, heavy and bulky to be practical, hence pistols are preferred for self defense as they can be easily carried and concealed.

Rifles are the most effective personal arm one can use. In addition to their greater range, accuracy and terminal performance, they also can damage internal organs that are missed by hydrostatic shock, provided the projectile impacts the body above 2,200 feet per second, something handguns can not do.

In addition, 5.56 ammunition is lighter than a 9mm pistol cartridge, so you can carry more, plus rifle ammo can defeat intermediate barriers and soft body armor with standard ammunition.

For home defense or as a truck gun, rifles/carbines in a rifle (not pistol) caliber are the best choice, better that a shotgun IMHO, as they are easier to shoot, carry more ammunition and are fun to practice with.

I learned something new today, 5.56 is indeed lighter than 9mm. Thanks Kevin.

 

[soundguy]

Hi all

First, let me start with a little footnote. I learned something a few days ago, and that is that "AR" stands for "ArmaLite Rifle", after the company that first manufactured it. I always thought it stood for "Assault Rifle", because that makes sense. That is, if you don't know any better.

I have one firearm, a 1911 9mm pistol. I have never fired anything else in my life.

Assuming that both firearms are in capable hands, is the AR-15 more dangerous and/or deadly? If you listen to some people in the gov't, and many others on the left, they make it seem like it is almost as dangerous as a 1.2 megaton nuke.

Doing some research, I see that a .233 round (I think that is standard for civilian use?), is much longer than a 9mm round (I know that is not the only round used in pistols, but I had to start somewhere), but also has less diameter. And apparently, the .223 flies through the air at a much higher velocity, 2-3 x as much. I assume this means they fly further as well?

Do these rounds penetrate better/easier? Is the AR more accurate? Easier to fire and control?

The other thing I am trying to understand is why the push to ban them.

Thanks for any thoughts.

2 different tool.. long guns work great when you need long guns.. handguns work great where you need handguns. try to use a long gun in a situation where you cant swing around a 2' long or longer gun.. If you are in a space or place where your long gun can't be used.. it's useless... that's when handguns come in.. etc. either can be deadly or dangerous in the right or wrong hands. so can a butter knife, hammer or screwdriver.

 

[Grizzly2]

2 different tool.. long guns work great when you need long guns.. handguns work great where you need handguns. try to use a long gun in a situation where you cant swing around a 2' long or longer gun.. If you are in a space or place where your long gun can't be used.. it's useless... that's when handguns come in.. etc. either can be deadly or dangerous in the right or wrong hands. so can a butter knife, hammer or screwdriver.

Just split the difference with a M2 folding stock Carbine or something similar. I really miss mine.

 

[LimaCharlie]

I went with an AR-10. It is one-third less than an AR-15.

 

[72plym]

Not arguing your point by any means, but actually AR15 is A model built on the AR platform. This gun was designed to be modular so an AR15 is the model that is a Carbine with 16 inch barrel and chambered in 5.56/.223 and Shoulder stock, as a replacement for the M1. An AR chambered in .308 is a AR10, 9mm is an AR9, an AR chambered in 7.62 is referred to by some of us as an ARAK since 7.62 is AK47 ammo. Armalite only uses AR10 and AR15 because they don't produce the other configurations.

It seems I stand corrected. Thank you for telling me this. Is it still an AR15 when it is chambered in 50 Beowolf or 6.5 grendel?

 

[gdmoody]

It seems I stand corrected. Thank you for telling me this. Is it still an AR15 when it is chambered in 50 Beowolf or 6.5 grendel?

I have an AR in .50 Beowulf, and I consider it to ne an AR-15.

 

[tedwitt]

I have an AR in .50 Beowulf, and I consider it to ne an AR-15.

Does it hurt to shoot it??

 

[gdmoody]

A little but not excruciatingly painful.

 

[Shortonammo]

You know, I'm glad people love The US, it amazes me how many people display WE THE PEOPLE on all kinds if stuff and have no clue what it means and or where it comes from and represents.
I've asked my grand kids and a bunch of fellow worker, just people at random. Most of them have no idea.
Ask people how many took Government in school. It was a required subject n Huffman High School in 1972.
So lets form a more perfect government!😁

The idea of a government 'Of the people, for the people and BY THE PEOPLE' requires unrelenting independence and a true belief in God given freedom. Self-governing is what made the USA the greatest nation in history but along with it comes hardship, failure and sacrifice. I don't think today's generation understands independence or sacrifice. When it comes to failure, they only know how to blame others for their own bad decisions. We as a nation need strength and power in individuals not in bureaucracy. WE THE PEOPLE don't have that right now in our nation. We ask God to Bless America but unless we once again turn our trust to God, who gave us our freedom, WE THE PEOPLE may find ourselves lost in a socialist/communist wilderness.
STAY STRONG and STAY FREE

 

[Grizzly2]

^^^Sadly, we already are.

 

[shootbrownelk]

We The Sheeple.

 

[Alaska444]

We The Sheeple.

That is the saddest statement I have heard today, and I have heard many sad statements today.