I have big hands and while some of the guns you mentioned aren't comfortable for long sesions at the range, if used for their intended purpose, they are easy to conceal and carry.

IF going for a large .380 I'd look for a Makarov in either .380 or 9X18.

or just step up to a small 9mm.
Top is my Kel-tec PF-9,
middle is my Seecamp,
bottom is the Kel-tec P3AT

My Makarov is Bigger and Bulkier than my PF-9.

 

Take a look at this:

http://www.riverviewsales.net/Merch...s.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1301&Category_Code=PST-CZ

CZ makes a fine product
12 round capacity

Here's their website:
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=40

 

With all respect, get a 9mm, it's bigger and 380 is below my personal minimum for a carry piece. There is lots of good 9mm ammo out there, not so with 380.

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With all respect, get a 9mm, it's bigger and 380 is below my personal minimum for a carry piece. There is lots of good 9mm ammo out there, not so with 380.

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Smoky,
I already carry a 9MM, but I'm just looking for something smaller to carry on certain occasions. The CZ and Makarov mentioned previously will be looked into.
Thanks for the inputs!
Old Gun Guy

 

With all respect, get a 9mm, it's bigger and 380 is below my personal minimum for a carry piece. There is lots of good 9mm ammo out there, not so with 380.

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The .380 caliber is a fine caliber for self defense, and Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints are an example of an effective round for it.

 

I like my FEG Pa-63 (AP-9) .380 acp. Too bad they don't sell them any more. You can get a PA-63 9mm Mak and replace the barrel though.

 

As I understand it, you're looking for a relatively big.380. That being the case, I'm not aware of anythig bigger than a Taurus PT-58

 

I've never seen a DH380 around here either...not many Daewoos in my area at all that I know of. Looking at it online it looks to be pretty similar in size/design as the Sig 230 which is about Walther PPK size. That pretty much goes for the Bersa Thunder, FEG PA-63, and any of the other PPK clones out there.

I can second the recommendation to try and find a Mak in either .380 or 9x18. It's a bit larger than a PPK size pistol but is still slim enough that it carries fairly well. I've put around 10,000 rounds through my .380 Mak (a Russian commercial Izzy IJ-70 from the early 90s) and it's still going strong. I load mine with Hornady XTP or Speer Gold Dot for PD use. Wasn't all that impressed with how silvertips performed on coyotes...they broke up too much for what I'd feel comfortable carrying for PD ammo.

I've never shot one of the CZ83s but have handled a few. It's similar in size to the Mak except with a slightly fatter grip due to the double-stack mag.

 

If you're looking for a larger-framed .380 try the Hi-Point. It may be uglier than homemade soap but they are built well and are reliable.

Daewoo's seem to be scarcer than hen's teeth anymore.

 

mtnboomer: Sure they do. I bought one the other day (a 9x18) for $165. Wish I had another. My daughter in law made off with my other one for a car gun. I see you have nice grips on yours. I settled for a grip sleeve, which might help Old Gun Guy. About everything I have, without custom or rubber grips, has a sleeve, even my AMT Backup. I like both the PA-63 and Mak. I think the Mak is more dependable, though not as pretty. Both are OK sizewize, but a bit heavy for long-term carry. It might be a good idea to get a .380 bbl for the PA-63. I perfer the slightly more powerful 9x18 cartridge but I find that some loads bind up in my mags; too long. Only the Wolf JHPs seem to be the right length and I wonder about their expansion. Loading the shorter 9x17 cartridge would fix that and you could also load frangibles. Did you know that 9x17s will usually shoot in a 9x18 barrel (.355 to .362)? They head space off the extractor and seem to work fine. Most military European handguns have stiff trigger pulls. If you remove the PA-63's grps, punch out the hammer spring plug, being careful not to launch the spring or plug, and cut off a turn or two of the spring it reduces the trigger pull considerably. When your gun stops firing you know you've cropped off too much. Check firing pin indentation with the original spring, then cut off one turn (I usually stop here), then try the gun with primed brass (or live rounds at the range). If the impressions of the firing pin is still deep you might try another 1/2 to full turn. Remember European military primers are often hard. A game like this can be played with the Kel-Tec P-11, but it is a lot harder. The PA-63 is easy. Old Timer

 

I have big hands and while some of the guns you mentioned aren't comfortable for long sesions at the range, if used for their intended purpose, they are easy to conceal and carry.

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I agree. I have very big hands as well. I love to carry and shoot my little P3AT Kel-Tec. Tiny and not my favorite gun to put a couple of hundred rounds through at a time. But definitely my favorite concealment weapon. In the Texas heat I need something I can put in the pocket of my shorts or jeans and forget it's there. Tried carrying larger guns but found that I just ended up leaving them in the truck.

The P3AT is not that bad to shoot, is reliable, and quite accurate for it's size.

 

The Keltec P11 and PF9 are real 9mms and are smaller than the large .380s. Why not give them a look?

 

+1 on the PF9
I have a bunch of .380s. Here's a couple of suggestions:

Colt Govt .380 - mini 1911
Colt Mustang Pocketlite - smallest, same profile as a Keltec, but slightly thicker. All metal
Colt Mustang +2 Pocketlite - Same as above, longer grip.
The Colt .380s are expensive, worth it.

Star D, DK, FI Model D - All the same gun, 1911 controls, slightly bigger than a P3AT. The DK is alloy frame
Star S or SS - Might be The One - Long grip frame, 1911 controls. VERY nice pistols.

American Arms Escort - Same length/height as a bersa, but all stainless and thin as a Keltec. Maybe thinner. Scarce, but worth buying if you find one. Nice DA trigger

Early Llama .380s - If you like 1911s, look for one of these made in the 1940s. Most are almost new. Wood grips, no slide rib, a mini-1911A1 in almost every respect. Very nice guns, locked breech etc.

Late Llama .380s - I don't like the plastic grips or the slide ribe. I mill off the rib, install wood grips, durakote the gun and it's a nice shooter. Most of these are blowback, but work fine.
Latest Llama .380s - No slide rib, made after 2000. Just ditch the plastic grips and you are good to go.

There ya go!

 

I have a similar need, and the Walther PP (NOT the shorter PPK ) fills the bill.

I got into mine for about $350.00, last year.

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I wear X-Large gloves carry a Rohrhaugh R9 fits like glove not top heavy & balanced